The Gaming Laptop Trap

2021. 01. 30.
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Review of the Acer Triton 300 SE, Asus Dash F15 and the MSI Stealth 15M performance using the Intel H35 chips. As well as a discussion of Intel vs AMD gaming laptops right now.
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  • Intel's gaming laptop stuff ain't it right now

    Dave2DDave2D2 개월 전
    • Davey what about the 3060 edition it is very very cheap in the rtx 30 series range since it is as expensive the legion 5i top spec last year, yes it has a better cpu but the tuf has a better gpu and the cpu runs cooler but I agree with you about the ryzen 5000 series chips and gpus "Waiting is the best Component (Desktop GPUs and Good Laptops ofc)" - me duh

      Hashir MoosaHashir Moosa5 일 전
    • Laptop cpu intel or amd?

      スーRinスーRin5 일 전
    • @Melchizedek V those last two I’m a different league than the first. If that’s really your short list I’d say you can at least drop the first two. Personally I think the tuff is best, but I’ve done very little research into it

      Richard CagleRichard Cagle9 일 전
    • What if I had to choose between asus rog zephyrus g14 ryzen 7 4800hs rtx 1650 asus rog zephyrus g14 ryzen 7 4800hs rtx 1660ti ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14, 14" QHD, Ryzen 9 4900HS, RTX 2060 And ASUS TUF Dash F15 -2021 Which one should I choose Can someone help out here

      Melchizedek VMelchizedek V9 일 전
    • @quirkychic1984 it does, but you’ll have to get them to price match as the Best Buy one is like $100 less for the same specs. They will, just more work for you. I’m quitting early today so I can go home an play with it 😂

      Richard CagleRichard Cagle11 일 전
  • Me watching this from my gaming laptop :0

    Norden RanaNorden Rana2 시간 전
  • Why spend $1700 gaming laptop, just buy a ps5

    Gejamugam LatsoomanamGejamugam Latsoomanam2 시간 전
  • There is nothing wrong with manufacturing these type of products the only problem is the price but in the other hand you’d be impressed of how many people would buy them lol

    Bryan BielkaBryan Bielka6 시간 전
  • I think they really botched the segmentation on this one. Where I live( S. Korea), the TUF Dash F15 (H35 and 3060) is priced at less than $1200 and it's the best value, beating any AMD build by $300

    Bobbie LeeBobbie Lee일 전
  • Do youn test Huawei Matebook X pro? How do you compare it with LG Gram or MacBook Air?

    AbdolHossein MortazaviAbdolHossein Mortazavi일 전
  • just bought HP pavillion 9th gen i5 intel and was just surfing on YT and YT recommended me this video !!!!!!

    Piyush BansodePiyush Bansode일 전
  • Stop criticizing my Intels !!! :’’’’(

    Haha-AaaAAAHaha-AaaAAA일 전
  • I bout a legion 5 - r5/1660ti. So far plays all the free stuff pretty good. Like fortnite, rocket league, spellbreak, warzone, apex, genshin. Plan to upgrade the ram, storage and battery for new premium games

    kcwalker93kcwalker93일 전
  • I have a tight budget and im thinking about buying an Acer Nitro 5. Would it be a good pickup?

    Nauris ŠteinertsNauris Šteinerts일 전
  • 牙膏你以为只有挤? 我还会吸!

    mirror' TKmirror' TK2 일 전
  • I was just actually looking at the Asus model there, and I was sort of confused that they picked that CPU with the setup and config they went with

    MrGrantlyMrGrantly2 일 전
  • I have ASUS ROG Zephyrus. Was I scammed?

    AKittenPlaysAKittenPlays2 일 전
  • There Are No Bad Products, Only Bad Prices.

    cloud ixcloud ix2 일 전
  • Too late lol

    pandabear bepandabear be4 일 전
  • The trap for me was having to buy an expensive video card to get the other features I wanted. Excel and Chrome ain’t using that 3D stuff.

    Frank CoffeyFrank Coffey4 일 전
  • I'm using a MSI GL75, the one with the 1660 Ti and the i7 10750 and it runs pretty damn well

    Kai YuenKai Yuen4 일 전
  • I nearly steped in this ASUS Dash but hopefully It had defected matrix I they returned me a money.

    Playlista567Playlista5674 일 전
  • I have the aswer. I recently bought a Dell G3 3590 with i7-9850H. This is a 6-core CPU. But, the Intel cap the TDP to 25w to control the thermals. This is a 45w cpu. I have to uninstall the Intel® Management Engine that already comes with the Windows to get the full capacity of the CPU. But the Laptop heats 99 celcius. Even with a half of the power of the CPU. So, the Intel cap the count of cores to prevent the Laptop to explodes, basically. So, i already sold this Laptop and buy a Macbook Air With M1 Instead.

    Erasmo BellumatErasmo Bellumat5 일 전
  • This is why we come to you for advice

    Games R UsGames R Us5 일 전
  • I never understood the point of gaming laptops. The biggest drawing point of gaming pcs for me it's the modularity. You can "freely" upgrade your pc in steps and keep it relevant. Gaming laptops are more like consoles in that regard, and in that case a console is a much more cost efficient purchase. Unless you travel a whole ton I don't see the point

    Nao224Nao2245 일 전
  • A month before you uploaded this video I've already experienced this. Long story short, Best Buy left my country by 31 of December of past year so they had an HUGE sale all over the country so because I wanted to update my 840 G1 I went to see what were selling and I found an A15 TUF (the metallic one with the 2060 and the ryzen 7 4th gen), because I didn't had all the money at the moment I left half paid in order to go to the ATM and paid all the money left and go out (it happened a problem with the card and I decided to better go straight to the ATM), to my surprise when I came back the casher had already sold the A15 and offered me an G512li-cherry with an i5 10th gen and an 1650Ti plus some gift card money, I didn't mind much at the moment because I used the gift card money for some Christmas gifts but the more I thought about it I regret it to purchase the G512li, it's not bad but the price it's horrible considering the A15 has a better CPU and an RTX GPU. If you are thinking of purchasing any laptop most of the time you are way better with AMD than Intel, I'm the only one that has an Intel in my house and everyone spended the same amount and yet I'm the one with the worst CPU, yeah it has some nice aesthetics (I love the ROG theme in purple) yet it's not worthy to pay the same as an way better system.

    Haruka ZekerHaruka Zeker6 일 전
  • Quadcore cpus are obsolete. They’re only good for esports and 720p gaming

    Nix 41Nix 416 일 전
  • I love how I watched this just a day after I bought the same dash f15 in the video

    TheVaLioNTheVaLioN6 일 전
  • Intels running laptop ads on this video 🧐

    James MartinJames Martin6 일 전
  • Any "gaming" laptop that has any 1650 is a immediate trap, doesn't matter what kind. You will hate yourself indefinitely for paying upwards of $900 for 30fps in all your games on the lowest settings. I've noticed all these Intel traps just use the 1650.

    Cursed KhienCursed Khien6 일 전
  • I am from india and we only have one online laptop shopping site for asus. they're pushing us to select either gtx series laptops in 2021 at around 900$ and then directly pick this dash f15 at around 1800$ it's like they're forcing buyers to either pick highly priced laptops or pick the ones which no one actually needs. gtx 1650, gtx1660 u name those. these laptops are always available in stock. no rtx 20 series available in stock ever. I wonder when they'll stop this greediness

    Mitesh MahtoMitesh Mahto6 일 전
  • Of course it makes sense, from a market share standpoint. No body produces 4 or 6 cores if they can produce 8 cores. All they produce is 8 cores. Some of those 8 cores will have cores that fail testing in some way and will be binned down to 6 core or 4 core or core clock rate. Or Intel will need to fill a certain amount of 4 and 6 core orders and will bin down that amount of 8 core chips that fully passed testing. The cost for them doesn't change. But the price does change for the OEM/builder/consumer.

    Jason FicconeJason Ficcone6 일 전
  • Dave: it's not worth it. They're not good enough for the price. Great aesthetics, subpar performance. Me: great ✏ aesthetics ✏

    Melissah BMelissah B6 일 전
  • While I can get w/ a lot of what was conveyed here, I can’t understand his insistence on referring to the issues w/ these two particular laptops as something that Intel “did”. Intel made those chips, yes. But Asus & Acer put them in those particular laptops, priced, and marketed them how they saw fit - which I agree it’s really questionable putting 35w 4core chips in $1,700 gaming laptops. Those series of decisions aren’t on Intel. Intel has a WHOLE host of issues/problems right now that have been a long time in the making. But blaming Intel for those two laptops he reviewed seems really off - Asus & Acer made those decisions. Ymmv

    Cliff EastmanCliff Eastman7 일 전
  • thank god i bought the legion 5

    DuffinThe MuffinDuffinThe Muffin7 일 전
  • Conrad Ricamora

    hmietwnehmietwne7 일 전
  • The level of honestly in this video is too damn high

    Sanjay MurmuSanjay Murmu7 일 전
  • NO AMD NO BUY !!

    YOsSYOsS8 일 전
  • 100% agree. I was looking for a regular good laptop (non-gaming) and it looks like the market has them terribly price atm. For the price they want i am looking at gaming laptop territory price range and even then they are not worth it atm. However I am exited for AMD to release gaming laptops sometime this year and see how they are. So for now i think waiting is the better option.

    CloudCloud9 일 전
  • Talk less show more This is your drawback.

    Ashutosh SoniAshutosh Soni9 일 전
  • What gaming/game developing laptops would you recommend with a budget a 1500$.

    UFO AlienUFO Alien9 일 전
  • The good thing about laptop is that they are portable, just build a pc.

    MusicMusic9 일 전
  • so its the INTEL gaming laptop trap

    Doug RDoug R9 일 전
  • As soon as I heard "cooler" and "higher performance" I closed all my purchase tabs XD

    SheogorathSheogorath10 일 전
  • Damn I was just looking at the dash f15 and considering getting it ... Guess I can wait

    PGRFNPGRFN10 일 전
  • F15 also have low tdp for graphics, ex. laptop strix 3070 have 130 Wt, and F15 - 85 Wt, so perfomanse 40% lower

    Назар ЕстаевНазар Естаев10 일 전
  • Cool hoodie!

    Anik aherAnik aher10 일 전
  • how about intel's i5 10500h with 6 cores in the Gigabyte G5?

    Nickolai UyNickolai Uy11 일 전
  • no webcam seriously?

    Indratej ReddyIndratej Reddy11 일 전
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    Laavariz AmigoLaavariz Amigo12 일 전
  • damn i just bought this F15 dash laptop and then i fired up youtube this video appears

    Faiq Muyassar HaniefFaiq Muyassar Hanief12 일 전
  • Thank you, thank you, thank you for this video. I'm indeed in the market for a gaming laptop and I love the looks of the Legion 7i but I will hold off a little bit longer. If there is better and cheaper than yes I want it!!

    quirkychic1984quirkychic198414 일 전
    • I couldn't resist and bought an Acer nitro 5... I should have waited a little bit longer

      NylrakNylrak13 일 전
  • I’ve been holding off buying a laptop for 6-7 years because of how trash the laptop/pc market has been.

    AurA - Pubg Mobile CompAurA - Pubg Mobile Comp15 일 전
    • I was holding off because I had no money, now I do so I bought the gaming laptop I had an eye keep on for a long time

      NylrakNylrak13 일 전
  • I love that you feel the same way I feel about the new laptops with intel CPUs. I’m waiting for the AMD laptop. Intel got greedy and they are paying the price! AMD caught up in the CPU game! And Definitely they are gaining ground on the GPU side also! I’m not hating on Intel or Nvidia. Actually I’m rooting intel with the XE GPU (Correct me I’m wrong). Why? Because the more options we have as a CONSUMER. THE PRICES WILL BE COMPETITIVE!!! By the end of the day. I want all the GAMERS/CONSUMER to WIN!!! I know it’s all about the money but I think TRUST/HONESTY should be prioritized. 👎🏼 corporate greed

    Time2EATTime2EAT15 일 전
  • I got an omen 15 with a ryzen 7. 800 bucks, happy about it

    Matthew StephensMatthew Stephens15 일 전
  • I bought my asus g14 because of Dave Lee

    RekamniarRekamniar16 일 전
  • Dave, why is ASUS the only manufacturer with 5900hx systems on the market? Isn't it crazy that they released these machines so early?

    Sadra SaffariSadra Saffari17 일 전
  • I got the ASUS TUF Dash F15 (RTX 3060 version) for 1,070 usd, and I'm from Denmark so that's imo a really good deal. Right? Someone please tell me it was a good deal so that I can feel good about myself.

    ShrekShrek17 일 전
    • They started at $1700 (not worth it) but recently dropped to the $950~1100 range with discounts (worth it). At around $1000 with a 3060 this is a damn good deal.

      Rodnei Cardozo MoreiraRodnei Cardozo Moreira4 일 전
  • i ended up getting me a legion 5 with ryzen 7 4800h and 1660ti was only 999 at amazon

    Pillbo BagginsPillbo Baggins17 일 전
    • while yes i coulda ordered a 30 series if i waited weeks but i got this next day and love it!

      Pillbo BagginsPillbo Baggins17 일 전
  • Nice video Dave! Any chance you can make a video comparing upcoming Tiger Lake-H with Alder Lake-H? I am wondering whether I should wait for Alder lake or go with Tiger lake in my new gaming laptop. That would be great!

    Lloyd van den BorLloyd van den Bor17 일 전
  • 702 dislike are by intel employees and consumers because they are scared of not buying this laptops

    Ryan NobilRyan Nobil18 일 전
  • u had the chance to call it the gaming laptrap but you chose not to

    Andersen OngAndersen Ong18 일 전
  • who doesnt like stuffs that are pretty?

    Born To Sing With The GuitarBorn To Sing With The Guitar18 일 전
  • In my country asus tuf dash f15 cost around 2100$ for rtx 3070 gpu come on 2000$ for 4 core only on "gaming" laptops . I also think that people that buy laptops above 1500$ for gaming only is extremely rare because most people who buy premium laptops will definitely doing other stuff than gaming also 4 cores is this price range is serious problem for productivity or money making stuff .worst of all that even games start to demand a lot of cores if paired with powerfull gpu,i have seen asus tuf dash f15 rtx 3070 have similar frame rate to gtx 1650 ti laptop in some games because the game bottlenecked by cpu cores count

    sagaris g&msagaris g&m18 일 전
  • 5:45 It's almost like they're trying to bring back the 'AMD is clunky gamer silicone and intel is sleek and professional' vibe from 2016 or whenever.

    Shawn DiazShawn Diaz19 일 전
  • For me it goes for 1375 so should I buy the asus dash F15??

    Jisco TubeJisco Tube20 일 전
  • Yoga slim 7 ....?

    ArmadaArmada20 일 전
  • Okay ive got the tuf dash for 1300 Euros. Only dont have the 240 Hz panel. I think its a good price and for high end gaming i have my pc

    PLAYRIDER13PLAYRIDER1320 일 전
  • I've almost ordered dash f15 rtx 3060 to replace my legion y530 gtx 1060 ! but in pure curiosity i checked the cpu.... and i was shocked that it rocks 4 cores, I don't know why but i assumed it has as least 6 cores(as mine, 3 yr old i7 laptop does...!) Maybe thats the game they are playing , many people are expecting 6+ cores at this point, and will just order the next gen laptops with new and fancy graphic cards without checking the specs as close as they should! Be aware guys

    Vario_0Vario_020 일 전
  • Can anybody reccomend a good gaming laptop? I wanna save for one, I'll say my budget is 1,500 to 2,000.

    TamakiTamaki20 일 전
  • Does any reviewer keep it as real as Dave2D? I love the way he nitpicks, I love his bigger picture takes, and most of all I love the honesty. I must've watched at least fifty videos at this point, haven't ever bought any of the products featured, (although the black friday Helios was a super close one) but I wouldn't trust any reviewer more than Dave2D.

    RyswickRyswick20 일 전
  • This video is really for people who are very particular with minor performance increases. I'm not a fanboy of any laptop or processor, my last laptop is now 7 years old and has an AMD processor. I just bought a Predator Helios 300 17" which is arriving soon and it has an intel processor. Here's my point, as long as the build is strong, and a laptop has the features you want at the price range you can afford, these minor differences in things like wattage won't result in significant frame rate drops in games or vastly change rendering times for videos unless maybe you render videos for a living. These newer computers are far more advanced than anything in the same price range if you go back a couple years. A mid to high-range gaming laptop will generally play any game at high to ultra settings with good frame rates. So to me, this is splitting hairs. I appreciate Dave2D's effort and passion on this topic and understand that some people will disagree so this is just my opinion.

    mikenet2006mikenet200621 일 전
  • My 6yo HP Omen just died today & I'm looking for a new gaming laptop... I'm glad i wasn't even looking at Intel lol

    Madi JohnsonMadi Johnson22 일 전
  • I want to buy a laptop but either it's old models & overpriced or unavailable for newer ones. Alienware has some in stock but it's Intel & extra 400 for Alien head logo.

    WarsrogueWarsrogue22 일 전
  • So what’s a good laptop to play The Sims 4 with no problem and that’s not an arm and a leg?

    Wendy AriasWendy Arias22 일 전
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    WulfWulf22 일 전
  • should i buy rtx 1650 laptop in 2021?

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  • I can't imagine paying $1700 for a 4 core, Intel processor. You're absolutely spot on to point out that a laptop is so much more than appealing aesthetics, Dave. Great observation and recommendation.

    SoulaestheteSoulaesthete25 일 전
  • 废话真多,我只想赶紧看看这漂亮的机器。不想看你废话

    1 Keyboard man1 Keyboard man25 일 전
  • Fuck I hate that asus laptop, it looks so perfect, but they fucked up their cpu 😭 Whyyyyy

    AkshayAkshay26 일 전
  • This video was a life saver for me thanks man👍🏼

    chethu azychethu azy26 일 전
  • So, either way, unless you NEED a laptop right now, it's best to wait for the next gen AMD stuff to drop.

    Parker RussellParker Russell27 일 전
  • So which one win at the end

    Aditya KulshresthaAditya Kulshrestha27 일 전
  • The rog zephyrus g14 is a really good deal.

    D4RK-WYV3RND4RK-WYV3RN28 일 전
  • Is the new Intel generation still suffering so hard from thermal throttling? I am rocking the Razer Blade which is a beautiful, very powerful machine. But boy does it have issues with heat management.

    The DudelinoThe Dudelino28 일 전
  • Please What should I choose?? Lenovo Legion 5 Processor AMD Ryzen 5 4600H (6C / 12T, 3.0 / 4.0GHz, 3MB L2 / 8MB L3) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 2x 8GB SO-DIMM DDR4-3200 128GB SSD M.2 2242 PCIe NVMe 3.0×4 + 1TB HDD 5400rpm 2.5 ″Screen 15.6″ FHD (1920×1080) IPS 300nits Anti-glare, 144Hz, 100% sRGB, Dolby Vision 1400$ tax included Or Lenovo IdeaPad gaming 3 AMD Ryzen 7 4800H (8C / 16T, 2.9 / 4.2GHz, 4MB L2 / 8MB L3) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 4GB GDDR6 2x 8GB SO-DIMM DDR4-3200 512 GB SSD PCIe M.2 ″Screen 15.6″ FHD (1920×1080) IPS 250nits 120Hz Free Dos 1200$ tax included

    Pegasus 777Pegasus 77728 일 전
  • I got scared there a second, I got a new laptop early this year, but it has AMD so I guess I'm good.

    MollofMollof29 일 전
  • I play WoW on a desktop. Can't even imagine playing on a laptop.

    Sharon JSharon J29 일 전
  • You're right it doesn't make sense at that price point but it also doesn't make sense for you to compare it to its 6 or 8 core counterparts in a mobile form factor because you can have all the cores in the world and they're useless when the chip thermal throttles. Sure you can spend the same amount of money and get those extra cores that will only compound the issue so what have you gained? Its like buying a Lambo to sit in LA traffic. Sure the car has the ability to go fast but if you're only inching forward every few minutes who cares if your car can do 200+ because suddenly the metric is useless as a basis for comparison. This becomes one of those cases where more ≠ better and what Intel did made perfect sense but where they failed is thinking they could charge a premium for something "lesser" and expect the consumer to understand TDP and why that's not really the case in this given instance.

    MarshallMarshall29 일 전
  • I like this level of honesty... thanks dave!

    DrakehammerxDrakehammerx29 일 전
  • as always simple direct and clear no huzz no fuzz

    earl pidoearl pido29 일 전
  • I got a open box tuf f15 for 1,100 lol, I definitely think I got my money’s worth

    SHITRUNNERSHITRUNNER개월 전
  • Pretty or not is a very subjective matter

    Malaysian ManMalaysian Man개월 전
  • Skip to the last 30 seconds of this video, thats what the video is about

    Beskmot's KombatBeskmot's Kombat개월 전
  • Just got an AMD gaming laptop ordered. I think with how AMD is doing big I'm the scene it will push intel too really put in the work to compete

    MrWearilyMrWearily개월 전
  • i like looks too, but if i can 300fps 1440 ultra in warone on a potato. welp. guess im gaming on a potato

    Richard CagleRichard Cagle개월 전
  • Great video, thank you for sharing your opinion on the state of laptops

    Tanya TsukrovaTanya Tsukrova개월 전
  • Thanks dave

    vaibhav Srivastavavaibhav Srivastava개월 전
  • Sounds like someone up high is trying to offload inferior hardware in higher end machines for more profit, and hoping it will fly under the radar for less tech savvy buyers. Kind of a scummy practice, tbh. I'm glad someone like you can get the word out.

    Kevin LasherKevin Lasher개월 전
  • You miss the best reason to get a gaming laptop. You can find them in stock. Good luck finding that graphics card in stock.

    David GrimDavid Grim개월 전
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